Comments on: The Problem Isn’t IE6 — It’s You http://www.obiwankimberly.com/2010/01/31/the-problem-isnt-ie6-its-you/ Kimberly Blessing is your only hope. Tue, 10 Aug 2010 13:24:51 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.0.1 By: Dylan http://www.obiwankimberly.com/2010/01/31/the-problem-isnt-ie6-its-you/#comment-48 Dylan Thu, 25 Mar 2010 20:04:33 +0000 http://www.obiwankimberly.com/?p=98#comment-48 Great Article. From an html/css perspective I don't have very many issues at all with IE6 in general (unless we go back to 5). I was around when it came out, learned it's faults, learned the tricks to get around them - with no hacks - and its been so much easier on my brain. It's really astounding what float:left; display:inline; overflow:hidden; height:auto will do to the rendered page. Setting attributes globally at the start has eliminated so many would be headaches it's amazing. And if you're thinking woah... floats... just add a width, issue solved. With IE6 i've found that you have to change the way you think about the flow of structure and really use the definition of Cascading from css. It's almost like using div's but thinking the div's are tables (its hard to explain). Up until about 9 months ago, my QA standards dept required us to build (visually) a pixel perfect layout in all browsers, with no hacks. This really gets your brain flowing with respect to workarounds let me tell ya! Cheers. D. Great Article.

From an html/css perspective I don’t have very many issues at all with IE6 in general (unless we go back to 5). I was around when it came out, learned it’s faults, learned the tricks to get around them – with no hacks – and its been so much easier on my brain.

It’s really astounding what float:left; display:inline; overflow:hidden; height:auto will do to the rendered page. Setting attributes globally at the start has eliminated so many would be headaches it’s amazing. And if you’re thinking woah… floats… just add a width, issue solved.

With IE6 i’ve found that you have to change the way you think about the flow of structure and really use the definition of Cascading from css. It’s almost like using div’s but thinking the div’s are tables (its hard to explain).

Up until about 9 months ago, my QA standards dept required us to build (visually) a pixel perfect layout in all browsers, with no hacks. This really gets your brain flowing with respect to workarounds let me tell ya!

Cheers.

D.

]]> By: Kimberly Blessing http://www.obiwankimberly.com/2010/01/31/the-problem-isnt-ie6-its-you/#comment-30 Kimberly Blessing Thu, 04 Feb 2010 14:33:58 +0000 http://www.obiwankimberly.com/?p=98#comment-30 Whoops! Thanks for telling me, Helga. It's fixed above, and here it is again: http://presentations.kimberlyblessing.com/2009/CSS_Summit/Troubleshooting_IE6.pdf Whoops! Thanks for telling me, Helga. It’s fixed above, and here it is again: http://presentations.kimberlyblessing.com/2009/CSS_Summit/Troubleshooting_IE6.pdf

]]> By: Helga http://www.obiwankimberly.com/2010/01/31/the-problem-isnt-ie6-its-you/#comment-29 Helga Thu, 04 Feb 2010 14:29:09 +0000 http://www.obiwankimberly.com/?p=98#comment-29 The Link to CSS tips for IE6 is broken :( The Link to CSS tips for IE6 is broken :(

]]> By: Marco Jardim http://www.obiwankimberly.com/2010/01/31/the-problem-isnt-ie6-its-you/#comment-27 Marco Jardim Thu, 04 Feb 2010 08:54:23 +0000 http://www.obiwankimberly.com/?p=98#comment-27 I don't know whether it's due to experience, or sheer luck, but lately I've been finding myself removing hacks, if anything, from the latest sites I developed. The last website I made, which had a pretty complex CSS ended up with only one IE specific CSS rule, which had to be set due to Cufon. As long as you realize IE6 and 7's limitations, it usually isn't very hard to work around them. It won't add more or less rules to your stylesheets, they will simply be different. I don’t know whether it’s due to experience, or sheer luck, but lately I’ve been finding myself removing hacks, if anything, from the latest sites I developed.

The last website I made, which had a pretty complex CSS ended up with only one IE specific CSS rule, which had to be set due to Cufon.

As long as you realize IE6 and 7′s limitations, it usually isn’t very hard to work around them. It won’t add more or less rules to your stylesheets, they will simply be different.

]]> By: Michael Kozakewich http://www.obiwankimberly.com/2010/01/31/the-problem-isnt-ie6-its-you/#comment-26 Michael Kozakewich Thu, 04 Feb 2010 06:18:35 +0000 http://www.obiwankimberly.com/?p=98#comment-26 Also, consider that all major internet applications work with IE6. It's not hard to get something reasonable working in it. (As an aside, your tab order separates the Name, E-mail, URL, and "Notify me..." inputs from the Comments and Submit inputs.) Also, consider that all major internet applications work with IE6. It’s not hard to get something reasonable working in it.

(As an aside, your tab order separates the Name, E-mail, URL, and “Notify me…” inputs from the Comments and Submit inputs.)

]]> By: Ashley Myers http://www.obiwankimberly.com/2010/01/31/the-problem-isnt-ie6-its-you/#comment-25 Ashley Myers Thu, 04 Feb 2010 06:05:59 +0000 http://www.obiwankimberly.com/?p=98#comment-25 Thank you Kimberly for your coolheaded and professional approach to IE6 and IE's existence. While I'm all for other browsers (the one that provides me with the most screen real estate while showing the address bar and handles enlarging text the best wins), folks who rant about IE rub me the wrong way. As interesting as I found Google dropping IE6 support (since my mom works for a non-profit healthcare system where some of their apps still require IE6 and upgrading everything takes a long time due to money and the complexity of the system), I didn't mind their explanation: they want to do things not possible in IE6. Folks who rant don't sound like their willing to compromise, which may be fine by them, but I don't think that helps the situation. IE has come a long way in terms of standards, as has Microsoft since the next release of SharePoint which is web based is to work on IE, Firefox, and Safari. (Thank goodness, since that being limited to IE was more than a little irritating.) Thank you Kimberly for your coolheaded and professional approach to IE6 and IE’s existence. While I’m all for other browsers (the one that provides me with the most screen real estate while showing the address bar and handles enlarging text the best wins), folks who rant about IE rub me the wrong way. As interesting as I found Google dropping IE6 support (since my mom works for a non-profit healthcare system where some of their apps still require IE6 and upgrading everything takes a long time due to money and the complexity of the system), I didn’t mind their explanation: they want to do things not possible in IE6. Folks who rant don’t sound like their willing to compromise, which may be fine by them, but I don’t think that helps the situation. IE has come a long way in terms of standards, as has Microsoft since the next release of SharePoint which is web based is to work on IE, Firefox, and Safari. (Thank goodness, since that being limited to IE was more than a little irritating.)

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